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Engine noise, vertical cylinder

Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:37 pm
by Uncle Steve
Just wondering if anyone has come across this noise before, its a ticking noise predominately from the vertical cylinder, it is not evident at start up but appears after a few seconds or its first rev, it is loudest at idle but not consistant like a tappet noise, it becomes worst as the temperature increases, I checked all the valve clearances and camshafts etc for any play, I checked that both crank nuts and the clutch basket were tight [something I picked up in this forum], I decided it sounded like a loose valve seat so I removed the motor, both heads for inspection and could find no evidence, so I moved down the line, there were no marks on the pistons but very slight movement in the vertical big end in certain positions so I had a crank rebuild, honed the cyls, new rings, new bearings throughout inspecting everything along the way, it started first kick when I put it back together and my noise is still there, a bit of an anti-climax. Listening to the vertical cylinder with a stethoscope the noise is most evident on the exhaust downpipe and around the front of the cylinder head, its in bits again now, I have decided to replace the exhaust valve seat I wonder if anyone has any other ideas?

Re: Engine noise, vertical cylinder

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:51 pm
by wdietz186
Have you checked the valve guides? They can come loose in the head and bang up and down with the valve when running. Also have a look at the rockers and spindles, extreme wear is very rare unless a closer shim was too thick, have a close look at the cam, if the closer is too tight it will clearance itself by wearing metal off the cam.

Re: Engine noise, vertical cylinder

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 2:23 am
by Lumpy
Noises can have a habit of telegraphing. That is the noise can be elsewhere and the noise kind of transmits.
You don't mention the bike in question. Reason I mention all this is I saw a similar thing on a friends GTS860 and it was the sprag/chain on his starter motor. Long story short, I had a quick look at the bike for a friend who suspected top end issues but I was'nt so sure. I felt the ticking was lower down. To settle the argument I removed the chain(was quite loose too) and the noise stopped.
I do offer this info a little apprehensively as I personally have never owned a bevel with an electric leg. All mine had the system removed before purchase or never had it at all. So my experience with the system is very limited.

Re: Engine noise, vertical cylinder

Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:09 pm
by Uncle Steve
Thanks people, sorry forgot to say 81 registerd Darmah, however the engine is probably earlier, squarecase, electric start. no kickstart, oil level sight glass, I notice also it has two different era cyl heads, horizontal has valve stem seals in the guide and the vertical has the mushroom type, obviously its been played with a lot in the past, I will have another look at the top end components but have not picked up anything thus far, I cant see any movement in the guide, I always thought the starter chain was a bit noisy, I will have another look, thanks for any further thoughts, Steve